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Unregistered
29-10-07, 12:39 PM
Hey SOG-Members,
first i must say, that i'm enjoying playing on your Pistols-Server. Always fair, often Admins on server stopping camping and other bad things:). But 2 days ago i was treated not fair by your Admin "Irishknight":
A very young gamer from France joined the server and told us that he just bought the game. He was a real -REMOVED- but in the real meaning of that word (not insult). He had just one problem: the only language that he's able to speek was french. So while playing i asked Irish if i could tell the guy something in french, explaining well that he only speaks french. Irish didnt answer! So i said to the guy (in french), called "aurelien" that he has to speak english otherwise the admin will kick him. Immediately "Irish" warned me that i would be kicked if i would not stop talking french!!!!! Kira said to him, that i asked his permission to talk to aurelien in french and that he didnt answer me. The only thing he said was: "Did i say yes?" and stopped talking about that!
Sorry, but thats not the way to tread pple who playing very often and fair on your server, respecting the rules and the admins and trying to help newbies to became good gamers! I'm speaking 4 languages (english is not my strongest language as you see:P) so i have the possibilities to talk to everyone on every server.
I'm not really a noob in this game and i played over 700 hours swat PO and i think that SOG is a great clan including good gamers and admins they know what they do.
I posted here cause i dont want to blame an admin on your server (and another admin told me to post here and to say nothing in the game-chat :) )
Cu |UPP|HOnkitonki
www.upp-clan.de (http://www.upp-clan.de)
Xfire: levelx
Hi there, I apologise for the bad experience you had in our server. We strive to become the fairest and best admin reputable clan in this game, and are very sad to hear of this report.
Rest assured we will deal with this issue in the most fair and justice way, and again apologise on behalf of Special Operations Group.
Matt
hehehe, honki ya noob, make sure u validate your account, so ur not unregistered :P
i will start by apologizing, but as you know, we do get alot of people who dont listen to what any admins say, and after a while we can get very fed up with that, so all i can imagine is irish was having a bit of a bad day on the server, he really isnt a bad admin or a nasty guy.
im sure irish will post and explain himself aswell, but like i said, it may have just been one of those moments where things can get out of hand:(
If you had said a single sentence in French on my watch, you'd be warned as well. You asked permission, you got no answers. No answer is NOT yes. Also, it is required of him to give you a warning, so Irishknight did his job, 100% by the book.
GunChicK
29-10-07, 03:38 PM
If you had said a single sentence in French on my watch, you'd be warned as well. You asked permission, you got no answers. No answer is NOT yes. Also, it is required of him to give you a warning, so Irishknight did his job, 100% by the book.
i agree with that lucy.
not really, when asked a question, he should answer, part of being an admin means he has to deal with the public......
Perhaps he didnt even see the question. He should have asked again instead of going ahead.. Nothing else than English unless a permission is given, so is the rules at SOG.
Nicoleise
29-10-07, 03:52 PM
Well, hello unregistrered.
I'd advise that you make an account on this forum, so we can see, that it's actually you, answering to us, and not just any random person.
First of all, I'm sad to hear you had this bad experience on the server. However, you tell us, you're a regular user of the server, and of course, you already know the rule about only speaking english. So what you were asking that administrator was :
"Is it okay with you, if I break the rules ? Can you please approve of that?"
Now, obviously, we can't just say "Yeeeah, go on ahead and break the rules.".So the admin you encountered acted perfectly as he should, and did nothing wrong.
I understand your frustration about not being able to help this fellow player of yours, and I'd like to ask you to understand, that we are committed to helping those new players out. That's actually 100% of the rules that apply on our servers - they are there so everyone can have a pleasant experience, and especially new players, as they're often the big victims.
However, english is a pretty much universal language, and he should be able to enjoy the game to some extend simply by not talking, and just playing the game. :)
I don't think anything can be held against the admin here, as he acted 100% according to the rules. :)
//Nicoleise
fruferSK
29-10-07, 04:03 PM
:whs:
Sorry to say this Nico, but you attitude is fully incorrect in my opinion. Iīll not write the same as ace wrote above.
Anyway, I donīt say it was correct from your side HOnki, maybe Irish was AFK - it can happen.
Well, if Iīm AFK, I always scroll the chat window to see if somethings relevant happend.
Nicoleise
29-10-07, 04:10 PM
Well, I didn't really say that it was a good thing, Irish didn't answer that question. I said the way he acted to french language being used was by the book, which he can't be blamed for IMHO.
On the subject of answering or not, of course he should answer, however, I dunno if you were there, but I wasn't. I do happen to know however, that sometimes the PO server just moves really, really fast. Maybe Irish didn't notice the chat.
But honestly, that's not a valid reason, imo, to just go ahead and do it. I'm with Lucy on that. And Irish didn't kick the player, he warned him. I mean, I really can't see what's wrong in that, he's acting according to the rules.
I may or may not agree that there should be exceptions allowed from the language rule, but that's not really what's being asked here. To me, the question is if that admin did his job correct, and to me, it seems to be by the book.
However, this is not about me being "fully incorrect" or about a difference of opinion between you and I, it's a matter of explaining to this player what happened, and to see to it that his complaint is being followed up.
//Nicoleise
fruferSK
29-10-07, 04:16 PM
Well, if so, I donīt think his action was 100% ok, because he didnīt answer his question. My angle of sight...
Adrenalin
29-10-07, 05:37 PM
Hi @ all , iam @ the same time there and it was a traumata (ok , just a litle bit shocked)
Irish said "Did i say yes?" after the question from Kira and this Question include the question if Honki can short talk french!
I think @ this time its a joke and write "did you say no?" and anotherone: "did you say maybe?"
And he writes back a lol or whatever.
And no real answer !! And that is real -REMOVED- .....................:wtf:
My personal think is - Sometimes a admin must handle the rules a litle bit easy ...
Honki will make a explaining to a young player (12) and this player only understand france.
And if Honki ask if he can , there is only 1 answer!! (my personal rule)
Maybe if just in this moment other language probs on the server , this is a different situation , because there wasnt this situation , it was a relaxed game!
Maybe it was a bad day for irish (its not real a excuse because its a explanation):s
Ok , and now give me a admin account and i will close the thread :rolleyes:
Sry for my english , its my own dialect ... called Adrenglish - if you need to learn it , contact me :D
nah, its okay adre, lol, we dont need a translator :lol:
but like i said, lets just chalk this up to a misunderstanding, or something wasnt read.
omg ppl.... i thought we all played swat to have fun with EACH other.. so if someone cant talk english or dont understand it and will keep on talking in this case french and someone can tell him in his langues to shut up and he will stop annoying admin... hhhmmm what is wrong with that...nothing cause he was asking promission to help...but maybe helping admin is wrong i guess then... and english only hhmm well because all the rulz we cant say anyting anymore.. we cant say -REMOVED- or -REMOVED-... ok fine by me, but we can say rape, sry but ill rather be -REMOVED- then raped but thats just me... or is that strange ?? last time i said SHUT UP to frufer, coz we always playing who is better and he was so i said shut up... and i get a warning... so i dont know the rules of sog about what i can and cant say... so i think honki is right to post here and tell it. he is always following the rules and only try to help, most of the admin on the PO SERVER knows him and can agree on that. because irish is also the one who is correcting other admin and asking how and why someone is getting kicked if he miss that cos he wanna know if they be fair and not having a bad day.. so, maybe he had a bad day.. who knows, but this was not fair of him... and i also think the most admin are to soft...
oww, expecting some censoring to happen there :lol:
Kira, there is no way in HELL you're allowed to be posting words like that!!! Dont you think rules apply to you?!?! Also, i am NOT gonna let someone like you teach the SOG how to admin our own servers!
Also, "Irish is the one always correcting" thats the worst BULL i have ever heard! Give me proof, NOT CHATTER!!!
ahh people calm down, think this issue has been talked to death now, but also has been explained i think, although not by irish himself.
theres been several opinions, but at the end of the day, this has happened, its done with, theres not much point this turning people against each other.
someone like me???? who you think YOU are then??? please dont involed it dont concern you.... and im nice to you now so be glad!!
I have read enough.
Honki, thanks for the report we will look into this. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't hurt to tell them english only in french, or another language as long as you don't carry on a conversation.
Kira, please watch your language, I know you was just trying to explain, however, pls use other words, as I'm sure we'll all get what you are trying to say.
Also, our admins do not need to be "Told" what to do ... as we can make decisions, and talk to each other before taking action if we feel it's needed. And DO NOT threaten any of our members. We don't take kindly to that.
Adrenalin, also watch your language on the forum as well please.
Enough has been said. Thread locked for now while we investigate.
@Irish please send me a PM about this.
I agree with TC, this has become out of hand.
My comments at this time until further investigation:
SOG Admins are governed by the rules in our forums. We go through a process of giving our admins rights and are "picky" of those we grant permissions too. However, we do not appreciate others criticising our admins actions in the servers. Our admins also want to play like everyone else and do not want to be hassled with dishing out penalties here and there on any players say so. The reason they are admins is simple, they think for themselves and work in accordance with the rules of the server. Influences from elsewhere will most likely be ignored. If you have a problem with an admins decision report it here, like this thread.
Instead our admins will ensure that our server rules are abided to and will keep a "basic" order to them while within.
Regarding this topic, we will issue an update after investigation.
I am bumping this thread up so that everyone can see how not to handle a situation...
First a leader admin or anyone that is in a position of some kind of authority should always be strict but also flexible as long as it doesn't undermine his/her position, this is life for example, Kira was right to complain about why it is not a bad thing for someone to say stop talking French as that is ok but not on our servers ... this IS ok if you know that the person in question doesn't know English... You cannot punish someone for something they don't know is not allowed... you should warn them first, its actually part of the admin rules.
And you can also see how not to reply on a topic taking sides is not what i am talking about but instead the way it is said read and you will understand what i mean, don't go rampaging at a comment or an idea or opinion everyone has his/her train of thoughts that lead up to their opinion, you should try and improve it if you think that there is something wrong or needs some additional points of view but you should not stamp it down or give it a cold shoulder... giving people a cold shoulder is not the way to greet a problem or else you will kill a possible chance for an improvement...
Also no bad word ridden post will help... only an intelligent thought provoking reply can change people, it doesnt need to be in perfect spelling just neat and something that is furthering your opinion in a clear and understandable way. I personally don't see the point in adding an irrelevant obscene reference to a topic that is about administering a server ?
Topic opened as long as it stays clean and is used as a learning experience.
Majid
:whs:
indeed Majid there was a lot situation when some players come to SOG servers and they cannot speak english so if there was any other player who can i always allowed him to warn in their language about our rules; also if there is any polish player i can warn him in polish; if i have to do i always do it by two ways english warning/polish warning, so everybody on the server knows what im saying;
imo it is better to let someone warn in other language then mute or kick someone - in fact she/he could be a good player ...
Or in the event we have a member who speaks there language to translate to them that its english speaking only, and that once they understand the rules to make them aware action will be taken only if once they are aware. but if the player is swearing, teamkilling or just really being a nuisance then that is a different story. ;)
IrishKnight
21-01-08, 08:52 PM
Ok I never posted in here it looks so I will now. It has been a while but I remember it clearly.
so all i can imagine is irish was having a bit of a bad day on the server, he really isnt a bad admin or a nasty guy.
Not a bad day; just doing my job.
not really, when asked a question, he should answer, part of being an admin means he has to deal with the public......
Ummm how am I supposed to answer a question that I did not even see?
Well, if Iīm AFK, I always scroll the chat window to see if somethings relevant happend
Maybe you had not played recently. With all the keybinds that get spammed in any server it is next to impossible to scroll up, especially after being AFK for a period of time.
My personal think is - Sometimes a admin must handle the rules a litle bit easy ...
Honki will make a explaining to a young player (12) and this player only understand france.
And if Honki ask if he can , there is only 1 answer!! (my personal rule)
Maybe if just in this moment other language probs on the server , this is a different situation , because there wasnt this situation , it was a relaxed game!
Maybe it was a bad day for irish (its not real a excuse because its a explanation):s
Well I do not follow your own personal "think"
How am I to know that?
Rules are rules no matter the state of the server
Even if it was a bad day I would not take it out on players or fellow members. I have seen how that can affect things and I certainly know how to handle myself.
please dont involed it dont concern you....
Nor did it concern you.
Regarding this topic, we will issue an update after investigation.
Eh? I assume this was already taken care of :)
I am bumping this thread up so that everyone can see how not to handle a situation...
I somewhat hope I am misunderstanding this post as it is quite ambiguous.
I think I handled this just fine. Now everyone says how they would have taken care of it, but you really don't know until in the position. Sure if I had known the player didn't speak english I would have been lighter, but the fact that I had no clue the player only spoke french did not really help.
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That is all I have to say at the time.
Ghost MacRoth
21-01-08, 09:01 PM
I did wonder why this thread was 'bumped', but decided not to comment. On the back of Irish's comments, I feel I have to. Pretty much everything he said above, I agree with. He did not deal 'badly' with this situation, it was just that those who were acted against felt aggrieved. They were wrong. Irish followed our rules just fine, he kicked a player for non english. If the kid couldn't speak english well enough to explain himself, and Irish couldn't speak French well enough to explain it to him, the what the hell is he supposed to do?? I believe he acted correctly, and I see no reason why this thread is being used as an 'example'. It should be closed again, and while I could do that myself, I will leave it to Majid to close, as he re-opened it.
Just remembered, the kid was 12!!! He shouldn't have been playing this game anyway!!
And yeah Irish, it was taken care of, you are an HM now, so you can guess who's side the management came down on. ;)
well also id like to add: when we are in a server whereever it is we all have circumstances which we are faced and as an sog admin/personel we are to make choices of action which isnt always easy. i know myself when im playing a game and someone starts acting like an idiot or doing stupid things to disturb the game i dont like it at all and i want to rid them before they ruin the game completley. however in this case irish as ghost put it you did everything acording to the book as an admin and as |SOG| personel should, now in my eyes there is no wrong move as long as the rules are followed. if a guest comes and doesnt like the fact that we have set rules to abide by then they dont have to play there. life is a learning experience and one never stops to learn, ;) and if one comes and doesnt like to speak english whatever his/her age if the rules are not followed then we act and we act according.. ;)
I was not commenting about the original post but about the replies that came after it. I explained this i hope successfully to Irish via xfire, that i was not talking about his role in this thread even though in my opinion it was a one off case and thats about it... but i opened this thread as i said for a learning experience and not for an argument (read my post)...
The thread had to be opened anyway since Irish should have the right to set the record straight ;)
I lost my well written original reply i would make and its 1:30 am i cant make another lol i got to sleep xD
|UPP|LordVader
21-01-08, 11:18 PM
Hi mates...
i don't wanna waste my time with reading all this stuff posted here :cool:
you guys (and girls) know what the problem is :s
you all have to watch "from dusk till dawn" - and remeber the sentence
"BE COOL - YOU! BE COOL!!!"
and a personal opinion of me: maybe sog should think about the practize of leting everyone in ;-)
frank
ps: for those you have problem with some words or sentences from me: Be cool... and look at the smiley at the last sentence!
Ghost MacRoth
22-01-08, 01:22 AM
let everyone in????? What kind of policy is that????? No, we wont be doing that. We seek good gamers, and good people, if applicants fall in either catagory, they WILL be refused. End of. Closing this as it's now getting silly. Smileys or no smileys.
Ghost don't beat down suggestions like i said he is very kind in sharing his opinion to us.
Ghost MacRoth
22-01-08, 03:51 PM
i don't wanna waste my time with reading all this stuff posted here :cool:
I not sure we are reading this the same way Majid.
Don't close threads that i open............ ask me first.
Nicoleise
23-01-08, 03:44 PM
Hi mates...
i don't wanna waste my time with reading all this stuff posted here :cool:
In that case, you shouldn't waste time posting either. It's disrespectful to just post stuff without having the slightest clue of topic or details, and for all you know, you could just be repeating another poster.
you guys (and girls) know what the problem is :s
you all have to watch "from dusk till dawn" - and remeber the sentence
"BE COOL - YOU! BE COOL!!!"
Which would be possible with 2 admins for every hour of the day. Sadly, that isn't possible, and people are here to have fun. Also - this problem that you didn't read about related to a complaint on an admin. I don't see the solution being having admins on for longer.
and a personal opinion of me: maybe sog should think about the practize of leting everyone in ;-)
I'm guessing you're referring to our servers. If you are talking about recruitment, I ensure you, that that's never going to happen. We are what we are, because of our members, and future members are selected with great care. If you are referring to our servers ; we DO let everyone in. It's just that some people have to leave again, because they're ruining the gameplay for everyone else, which is in no way fair.
frank
ps: for those you have problem with some words or sentences from me: Be cool... and look at the smiley at the last sentence!
I'm assuming you're drunk or high when posting this, so I'm just gonna "be cool" about it. :p But for future reference, it'd be really great if you could post something relevant and something that makes sence. I've seen you do it before, so I know it can be done :D
Thanks for your input and suggestion.
@ Topic in general - I think Majid is right in that this is a display of how not-to-do things. I still stand by my original statement that Irish acted best way he could. Him not seeing that question - I mean... Come on, we're humans here. And I honestly believe the whole appealing a warning is slightly out there.
So the first place where it went wrong is that this thread was even created. In my opinion, of course.
The second thing that happens is that even following Matts official statement (where the tpoic should have been closed, in my opinion), people start questioning Irishs actions. If that was what Matt wanted, he would have posted "Yo, everybody... Start asking questions!!". I see a few posts in there, that tries to reasure people, that they can calm down in the fact that the matter is being dealt with, and that they shouldn't question Irishs actions on their own. I also see some supports of Irish, which I believe is good, as it would be very sad reading otherwise.
The third thing that goes wrong is with Kira vs Lucy... Totally out of hand, and apparently taking it very personal, and not really thinking before pressing "Submit Post". That's why it's generally a good idea to either read what you wrote in the text box, or if you can't manage that, just get used to pressing Preview first, and skim your post. Just to avoid those posts and the following agrivations, that should never even have had to happen.
The forth thing kinda overlaps ; Lack of diplomacy. You don't see alot of posts expressing their opinions in a respectful and diplomatic manner. It's always good to include stuff like "I see your point" if you see the contrary point of view. It's also a good idea to comment directly on specific topics. But the most important thing to keep in mind, is that you may be mad about the problem at hand or how it was handled. But you're not mad at the person reading your post, because frankly - you have no idea who that is! And even if adressed to someone in specific, still remember that we're all friends here.
Trying to get the whole learning experience going, even though I know it's a biiig post. :)
Nico mate Lucy is banned; thread closed; and maybe you should know Kira better eh?
i know she isnt easy to take but in fact she is very nice person
IrishKnight
23-01-08, 09:46 PM
Nico mate Lucy is banned; thread closed; and maybe you should know Kira better eh?
i know she isnt easy to take but in fact she is very nice person
Nico didn't post anything personal about either, he just said what they did was wrong. He never said "Kira is a bad person". Lucy may be banned, but that doesn't mean Kira did the right thing. Exploding like that is not something we want on the public forums.
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Good post Nico. I agree with everything you said :)
in fact she didnt - what she did is not acceptable and i know that Nico didnt post nothing personal :p
One thing we need to keep in mind is this clan is based on fun gaming, if one cant be having fun anymore then are they truely meant to be remainging here. nocking one for ones opinions is not somthing we should be doing lightly. i have done it myself and it isnt nice, nor profesional. so what im trying to say is vader go ahead and have your opinion but dont expect to come to SOG and start atelling us members what to be doing. we have leaders and a CL for that.
@ deka whether we like someone or not they must act according to rules mate.
oooooo great post PG indeed mate
|MYT|Torq
23-01-08, 11:18 PM
Hi M8ys.... Hope you don't mind me posting this..........
It is rare, but has occured on MYT server where permission to speak in foreign language has been given...
In these cases it is up to the lead admin whether it is justified or not.
I have given such permission only once, i felt that in doing so the situation warranted it in so much that arguments were less likely...and it worked.
I did remind ppl however that this was a one off occasion.
In general I try to answer ppl's questions if possible....but only if relevant...........
As you know Admin Rules are there to keep order, and to stop abuse by Bad Players.....Some Flexibilty is aload on perpheral matters as above, but not on Abuse or Harassment etc.
In my experience Admins make decisions as they see the situation at the time....AND that is as it should be..
Like SOG, MYT invite ppl to post on our forum if they think any decision regarding them was unjust.
So I will not comment on the original post, as that is a matter for the SOG and the Admin at the time.
I will add that Admins in main try to be fair, after all many different cultures visit our servers not all ppl who do are aware of the rules first off, not all can speak english well, if at all.
Nevertheless Rules are there to help give the best gaming experience for all..........
Thanks for your feedback Torq.
Yes, although we dont have problems with other languages we only allow English under no exception to keep the whole server clean and less confusing for the players.
One language is better than three or four as you can imagine, and it is easily then more spam and utterly distracting, than having one conversation in English.
Some players also take offense to others speaking different languages. For instance in rare cases you often find cursing behind the back of admins and other players in languages the person concerned is not meant to understand.
So with this taken into account, we dont allow exceptions as if you make one, you often have to make more.
After all, they are invited to join our forum and discuss non related gaming topics over msn or xfire away from the public gaming server.
Matt
hey guys,
nice you openend this treath, majid you really make a good statment in your post when you openend it.
for or all who has an opnion on me, take care and have fun.
my last post here, and ill try not to play on your servers cos for all i can see
i cos problems. so have fun and nice playing...
Ghost MacRoth
24-01-08, 08:03 PM
I don't think that was the intent of the statements made Kira, you are still welcome on our servers and at this forum. We all know you can be a bit fiery at times, but hey, it keeps life interesting!! ;)
well its not the right way Kira :(
Nicoleise
24-01-08, 08:12 PM
I'm guessing you're referring to my post.
I'll make it crystal clear ; I don't mind you one bit on our servers. I don't know if you remember me much, as I was rarely on P.O., but I was always kind to you in game. :)
My point with the post is only that the post you made in this topic isn't a good and constructive way to voice your opinion and have your say, in my opinion. :) So what I meant by that post is that I think you (and others) should always remember to think about the post you're making for a bit. :)
I haven't seen you causing trouble though, and I think it'd sad if you leave. :) But I can only do this much ; meaning I can only clear up what I said, so you ain't leaving for any wrong reasons :)
However, your decision, and I respect you enough to not try and alter it. :)
kira i dissagree, everyone is free to have an opnion yes..... in our case tho as sog members we have rules to abide by, moreso we have to make sure other people like guest's etc have to stick to our server rule's. you do not cause problems at all in many cases i have seen you telling people who have been speaking non english that they have to speak english. So as a non member we appretiate your efforts and hope you continue to enjoy your time playing in our server's.
hope this helps.
PG. ;)
p.s message me anytime il let you own me in pistols. :lol:
swatbuster
24-01-08, 09:25 PM
To be honest i think this thread should be closed until it causes any more problems because this has gone a bit off topic and caused huge problems (didn't lucy get banned because of this thread). This is my opinion, i think Irish is in the right he might of not seen his name on the chat because he maybe to busy playing the game, Honki still shouldn't of talked in french because no answear is not yes or no, then he spotted the french and warned him, well rules are rules and you can't go by them, thats it from me.
IrishKnight
25-01-08, 01:47 AM
Ha! No, this is not near why lucy got banned.
Thanks for your support swatbuster, and yes this thread is now a bit off topic.
Majid you may want to consider closing it now as it is turning into a lot of different things from what you hoped.
Ghost MacRoth
25-01-08, 01:50 AM
that's why I closed it earlier, but if Majid wants to keep the fur flying, well.....
i think its enough about that;
and pls remember that xf i useful too
There is no need to close a thread if no one is posting if someone wants to add something later on then that is their right and i will review that post when it happens but i also don't think that this thread seems to be going bad since people have moved back a step within the topic its not for me too force people to say what i want them to say Kira wanted to voice her opinion and she did and i am happy because then we can know the problem and solve it.
Part of why i opened this thread was so that people could say what they wanted so that the topic would unravel and then be understood properly since i could see that both sides where misunderstanding each other and also not far from each other in view but needed to be heard in a proper way and the only way to do that is to open the thread ... its really not worth all this explanation.
i think what people are saying majid, is that no further comment is needed, like you said in the second part of your post, about you understanding where both people come from (which i also agree with) if people take the time to read they will also see the same. so, going backto what others had said, any more comments probably wont take this 'discussion' any further, more likely to bring up old wounds....
thats my 5 pence worth anyways :D
majid i think you right:google:!!!! thats not the issue..
i simply get sick for getting blamed of the trouble, i didnt start with lucy.
thats why im done......
i think we should all just take on board whats been said here and try to remain informative, and helpfull to the next person as we all should. I personally would rather help my fellow man/woman than argue/complain/winge in regards to anything. Things like this can be used as foundations used to build on and in effect make it so better working relationships can arrise and with this we all may go fourth and nothing may stand in our way.
I do agree with majid here, the topic didn't needed to be closed for opinions of people, it's like i say i believe in freedom of speech and i stay with that, everyone wants to voice there opinion and everyone deserve that chance.
But there are ways to do that just posting what comes in your mind isn't the way,you only get in trouble for yourself or with someone else, think before you post, some people may be angry, heck i'm angry in alot of posts, but you don't see me swearing and disrespecting.
Kira you are always welcome on the forums and servers and i also see you saying to people not speaking english to speak english in a friendly way, but learn when posting to slow down abit or your post is only going to be full with removed things ;).
It is a admin duty when a player asks something to answer, not saying anything doesn't mean anything, and if you do didn't saw the question, you still have to warn them again just in case.(especialy when you where afk).
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