Secret SWAT Report Revealed

[Franciswat]

Found that article. Seems to be interesting.
Good reading and leave your comment.

Secret SWAT Report Revealed

The report criticizes SWAT for rushing into confrontations with mentally ill people, covering up an illegal use of force, and protecting officers disciplined for misconduct.
By Eric Leonard - KFI New

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http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=153218?feed=153218&article=3441486

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[RyanCooper]

Nice find Franci :)

This article explain what are rambos... but.. i think every PD protects their officers.. they dont want a bad reputation.

Thx for sharing :D

[Franciswat]

Full report is very long and I've not read it yet but I'll do it.
Agree with what you said: SWAT is made to save life and not the contrary.

[Delta1]

Omg they want to relax the physical standards so women can join :O
there is a reason standards are so high, and women are allowed to join if they meet the standard ^^

[Nicoleise]

This is pretty weird....

First of all, I agree Delta. As a member of a Swat team, I would want to be able to depend on my teammates. Lowering the bar wouldn't excactly be a comforting thought to me, so I can appreciate why people are upset about this.

Secondly, the shooting mentioned about a father using a girl as a shield and the girl getting shot - what are these officers supposed to do? It's not their fault the kid is dead, it's the criminal. And what if the headline read "51 officers shot down in downtown LA today, by a suspect beind a human shield". That would also be bad. It's tragic of course, but in my opinion we need to remember how often it goes right under even the most critical circumstances, before we point fingers.

That being said, SWAT *are* violent people who rush into confrontations, also with mentally ill people involved, but what are they supposed to do? Knock on the door and ask to come in for tea? They are only called to dangerous situations, and they deploy on their mission with that mindset ; others have tried and failed, so they can't afford errors. I would never want to be raided or arrested by SWAT because I'm sure it would be an unpleasant experience, but it's an unpleasant enviroment and they have to take their precautions.

[Franciswat]

Sometimes ago I saw a interesting documentary on Discovery Channel.
It talked about Less Lethal weapons like Tazer and showed a Tazer fitted in a shotgun!

I thought: That's brilliant! Of course It has not a long range but will be useful in several occasions to keep recicent suspect alive! I founded the video I'm telling you on youtube.

Good watching!

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[RyanCooper]

Nice one again. Very interesting. Now we need a mod or gun in Swat4 with all of this :D

[Franciswat]

Will be great to have it on SWAT. Needed a good modder. :)

[daze]

really goood video Franciswat :)

[Franciswat]

Its pretty hard to find something about LAPD SWAT.

Here's official website.

http://www.lapdonline.org/inside_the_lapd/content_basic_view/848

[Selena]

This is indeed a useful tool, but not always less lethal. A taser might be a better option then a bullet, but still can be as deadly. The human body doesn't always respond well to electricity. ;)

Nice video Francis... Keep informing us. :sunny:

[Franciswat]

I heard about the fact that a tazer can kill. I have some doubt about it but I wont say simply NO.

Here's few interesting articles about report of suspect tazer killng and conclusions based on something wich looks like a scientific research to answer the question.

Taser kill risk to be tested by Australian police. Robyn Ironside (Queensland Newspapers) – Queensland police will closely examine a Canadian report which found Tasers can kill before finalising a review of the stun guns...

Continue to...
http://www.rcmpwatch.com/taser-kill-risk-to-be-tested-by-australian-police/

Are you considering buying a TASER C2, but not knowing whether these devices are really lethal or not is keeping you from making a decision? Maybe you are among the thousands of people who search the internet each day for a clear and definitive answer...only to find conflictive points of view about the subject. Search no more. We got the answer all figured out for you...

Continue to...
http://ezinearticles.com/?Can-a-TASER-Kill?--Conclusions-Based-on-Research-and-Logic&id=2285451

[Sharpshooter]

Loving the taza shot gun i want one

[Franciswat]

Will be great if officers of all countries around the Worls could use It when needed.

[Lead(RED)]

Its pretty hard to find something about LAPD SWAT.

Here's official website.

http://www.lapdonline.org/inside_the_lapd/content_basic_view/848

I found something quite a while ago... don't know if you guys already know that neither do I know if it fits in here. But here is a link to some youtube videos. You should watch all parts of it also it's kinda long... ;)

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHSUEaZZV2Y)

Edit: I'm really sorry that it is in german. I searched for an english version but it obviously doesn't excist. So maybe some 'german' members enjoy to watch it. You can only try to listen very carefully since the german language got recorded over the original english one. But it's very hard to understand anything that way... :/

[Franciswat]

Good add otherwise. I can check if I am able to find It in english as It had been make by Discovery Channel (It makes multilanguages documentary). Looking at the insigna seems not the LAPD SWAT. I think It is the one of an other city, but dunno which one.

[Lead(RED)]

Looking at the insigna seems not the LAPD SWAT. I think It is the one of an other city, but dunno which one.

Have a look at the title, the police car at the beginning and at the 'skyline' shown at the very beginning of the documentary. It must be the LA SWAT just like the title tells ;)

Otherwise it makes no sense to show the city of LA if the documentary is about another city...

[Franciswat]

Checkind insignas can confirm thats not LA team. LA swat cops wear completely different.
I dont exclude they named it wrong.

About cars LAPD one dont have SHERIFF tag on the backside as I know.

http://www.mdiecast.com/mpictures/autoart/72701a.jpg

[Nicoleise]

That scenario was *very* favourable, considering that if the suspect was armed with e.g. the gun he had in a K-strap, then tasing him wouldn't be an option due to muscular contraction. However, it's a nice invention nonetheless.

As for tasers killing, I'd like to show the situation from a different aspect ;
It's mandantory to use what most of the world knows as GFCI or Ground Fault Circuit Interupters in new electrical installations established in the European Union. They have been in use for quite a while.

The operating principle is, that if a large metal object, like the shell of your washing mashine or dishwasher becomes live due to some malfunction in the appliance, then the GFCI would detect this as a ground fault and cut the power, protecting you.

It will however also protect yourself, if you touch any live wire directly and you have some ground connection at the same time.

The nominel voltage per phase in Denmark is 230V (AC). The maximum allowed voltage to be exposed to a person is 50V. The maximum allowed current to be exposed to a person is 0,03A or 30mA. What this tells you using simple math is, that if the resistance from a live wire and through you to the ground is heigher than maximum 1666,66Ohms under a normal GFCI installation, then the GFCI will break the circuit OR you will be electricuted.

This is based on extensive studies on mostly work injuries involving electricity.

So for how long may our body endure 50V / 0,03mA before we see indications of permament damage to muscular functions and tissue? 500ms, or half a second. At this point onwards, the temperature of the blood (which is the conductor of electricity passing through a person) will have reached such a high temperature that muscles will litterary be boiled. What this basically means is that the muscular function can never be restored, and if you ever experience this, you can be sure you're heading straight for the critical room in the ER wing, under constant monitoring as a heart attack can happen in seconds.

Electricity also makes a hole in the skin where it enters and leaves the body, typically a hand and a foot. This hole is also burned due to the poor transmission of electricity, and this will not recover either.

I obviously realize that tasers probably operate at low amperage and high voltage, much like an electric fence, but making me believe they are safe, that they will never kill anyone or that they wont have any effect on the person when the 20 seconds or even 1 month has gone by simply wont happen.

Sadly, electricity related injuries are prone to trigger heart attacks, but it rarely happens in connection with the incident itself. So I think tasers have a more favourable statistic than they should have.

That being said, I'd still prefer it over a bullet, no doubt. ;)

[Lead(RED)]

Picture (http://lacantdrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/car449b.jpg)

Picture (http://www.kchristieh.com/blog/images/mourning_dove_rescue.jpg)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a5df0bf4970c-800wi

Especially on the last pic you can actually read ''Los Angeles County...''
So I guess they do have the description ''SHERIFF'' on the back of the car :p

[Franciswat]

Really strange, I didnt know that.
Maybe thats a car of LA countryside police and that's will explan the unusual insinia too on cops sleeves.

You should be able to see that patch on lapd swat cops:

http://www.34softair.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/swat_team.jpg

[CaptainOrion]

I think tazer is too dangerous to use it when is no really needed. It still can kill someone (like some man at airfield in Canada long time ago). There is some regulations in organizations like SWAT?
And tasers hooks must be sometimes removed by surgeon.
EDIT: I forgot. Another situation is one when a suspect have an automatic weapon.

BTW. In SWAT 4 is Taser model M26.

[Franciswat]

M26 Tazer

http://www.cityofinman.org/PageImages/NewsEvents/WindstreamTaserPresentation-11June2008/M26Taser-294x262.gif

Really SWAT has it in his equipment?

[CaptainOrion]

I mean it is basic of SWAT taser. See at box, only yellow color in other place and has less of these "strips".

[Vectus_Vox]

Stripes*
And no, SWAT doesn't even have pepper spray or optiwands as a parts of the basic loadout.
SWAT is, AFAIK, called in for raids, it's not that much of a life saving organization as much as an organization that stops crime at any cost, except the lives of it's own men.
It's police officers (Mostly highway patrols) that use pepper spray and tasers.

[Komissarov]

Omg Vectus if you dont know, better not type.

[Franciswat]

:whs:

And Im sure SWAT cops have always an optiwant in theyr equip (simple wand or with a micro cam).