Tag stealing discuss...

[Hidroncs]

Up on this (http://www.sog-team.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17835) thread now, and several more before, i would like to ask your opinion about the tag steelers.

As, i can see since im around gaming world this is one of the worst "crime" what a gamer can do, maybe only cheating hated more.

But there are many different way of it, and i think not all the same, so not need all the same punishment, the bann.

Here is what i mean:
- there are some guys, who not even know what are they doing, when they use tags, without earned that. They simply want to be as good players, or as respected as they meet on the servers, and whose wear tags.
- and there are some who want to take advantage on tag stealing, for example who say to other players: "shout up coz im SOG, and will kick you if you mouthing" or something like this. Mostly these 2nd kind of players are who lie to the question, and say they are real members of the clan.

So in my opinion:
- bann tag stealer: if he do it on purpose (i mean if he knows its not welcome), do it for any advantage, if he try to abuse with the tags, if he know that he is doing bad, or if he lie on the question (and say he is real member), or after being warned - refuse to change name.
- and set no tolerance, ot the 1st kind of guys, and where we have no evidence to bann ( i mean no1 ask him about why he wear, and he didnt try to abuse )

ps.: and i think its more bad when guy like this not perfectly copy the tag, but ist very similar, and try to abuse with it, then others, who copy perfect, but dont want else, just be look like as good player as other clan members.

But this is only my opinion, so let's discuss :)

[Mike]

Tag stealing is tag stealing, its part of our rules and there is a punishment for it. When one connects to our servers they are agreeing to follow our rules. If they fail to read them or come to the site and check them out its not our problem. Each rule violation is given a certain punishment but is adjusted according to the admin on duty and what they feel is needed. We dont discriminate, we enforce the rules evenly to all ;)

[RyanCooper]

I agree with you with the 2 kinds of players and different related things about these, but i think that as Mike said, Tag steeling is tag steeling. If you want to be part of the clan, just go on the site or ask for info. If you want to impress other players saying you want to kick them, for me its same thing. Example: SOG makes so much Promo of the site and about that Mature players are welcome[...], that i did not choose the dark side. (thanks X that helped me to get to the good way :))

All in one, these 2 kind of stealers should be punished equaly because "Tag Stealing is Tag Stealing". There is no big diffirence between someone wearing tags and someone saying he is a member. One say it in the name, the other by writing.

[Tim]

Well to me, tag stealing is a bad way to get respect, however, in the case that this is referred to is a bit different. Yes the player may have stated that he was actually a member of that clan, but he might have mis-understood some how.

I'm just trying to look at both sides here, I know the rules, that's not what Hidroncs is asking, as he knows them too.

[|MYT|Torq]

The Rule at MYT is a Ban for Tag Stealing.
That said an Appeal against the Ban is allowed.....

Our view is The Tag is earned by those ppl which Join Clans, and they have a right to expect that a sanction will be imposed on those players that don't earn that right.
I have know problem with imposing a Ban even on those who Tag Steal for a Joke or simply were not aware of it's importance.

We have seen a gradual increase in this sort of problem, true there can be occasions when Tags are similar & belong to bona fide Clans, however in MYT we have also had brief discussions about players whose use a Close Tag but is not that of a Clan.
A recent example is the use of NYT instead of MYT.
Here we agreed a Ban, because this was mocking the MYT Tag, this does not necessary mean all close occurences will be. The Violation profile of the player was also taken into account in judging the sanction.

On Conclusion then :

A player is Banned for Tag Stealing no matter what the circumstances.
However the player can appeal against this Ban.

One last point ....Name Cloning with the Tag Steal.

As you will all be aware my Clones haunt the community from time to time.
Here the Ban is permanent, No Amnesty, as with all others that are caught.

[Pepper]

thx to all who speak free here, in Respected Ways, for a interesting Theme.

Clear Tagstealing is no other Way as to ban that Player, until he have made an successful Appeal, so our Rules, - and as i know much Swat4 Clans see it as the same,

we are Proud an have earned our Tags on a long Way in all Clans, for being in and holding Friendship, on real personnel Ways, and all Members are special, as they are ClanMembers.

Tag cloning, like |SOG| / |S.O.G| , this is the Point, where i personell think, it anaying and offending as well, as it directly seems look like the original osne. Here i think, an Ban should follow as well, as its the same offending to say" I am SOG" but as i said my very personell View.

The same View i have had by the last Reported one, AiRR|| its so clear for me, the cloning from the original, onyl doing it in that Way, hoping to dont get kicked / baned, to play there, and to be look like the originals, one.

As i remember, the Clans in FPA and others, the look to be sure, that they have there very personell View of there Tags,

Original

1. |SOG| Special Operations Group
2. <|TGC|> Tactical Gamming Community
3. SiC Silent Infiltration Crew
4. <{BFC}> Brute Force Connection
5. |A51| Area 51
6. |ELITE| Elite
7. |UG|United Gamers
8. (US*T) United States Tactical
9. REFLEX| Reflex
10. AIR|| Army in Rage
11. {BlkWtch} BlackWatch
12. <CTA> Combat Tactical Arms
13. «|LSF|»
14. BHC_ Bears House Clan
15. ^MP^ Magic Penguins
16. {ELF} Elite Loyalist Faction
17. |UPP| United Pistol Player
18. [ACC] Advanced Combat Clan
19. |BoW| Brothers of War



Clones

1. (SOG) Special Operations Group
2. <TGCc> Tactical Gamming Community
3. <SiiC> Silent Infiltration Crew
4. Brute Force Connection
5. (A52) Area 51
6. (EIitE) Elite
7. (uG)United Gamers
8. {US*T}United States Tactical
9. REFLEXx|| Reflex
10. AIRR|| Army in Rage
11. >BlkWtch< BlackWatch
12. {CTA} Combat Tactical Arms
13. |LSF|
14. >>BHC_ Bears House Clan
15. ^^MP^^ Magic Penguins
16. (ELF) Elite Loyalist Faction
17. (UPP) United Pistol Player
18. |ACCc| Advanced Combat Clan
19. |BooW||| Brothers of War


dont get me wrong, it only to show, that they look so cloose and near together, that its for me the same Missbehaivior, and here count the same, by successful Appeal, then get a chance to get set to OS, observe close, to be sure the earn there second Chance.

Chances can be given out of my View, have seen a lot of Player turning round from the "[B]dark" to the "light" Side,

But you will see, yust in the Moment i write in here, Francis catched the next Tagcloner from SOG , Report will follow. ;)

but for at all in one and at least we have good Leaders here to |SOG|, so Dessicions will be made on wise choise, as in here , they have long contacts and expirience to make such dessicions, in which way the Punishment will follow.

rgds to all, Pepper

[Hidroncs]

I think Tim is got me well, so i try to explain bit more, what i mean.

I mean, that we have especial Admin bot, what is the biggest help for admins to help the servers clean, of those players, who can not be welcome there. So here at SOG we have a very special tool, what other clans not use yet, and what is let us the chance to warning people who made any rule breaking.

My only problem with the bann that there is no any explanation for the player, he simply got a message: you are not able to join... (or something like this - i was never banned :p). But not many things what we are bann for, i think only cheating and tag stealing ONLY, where there is no ANY warning or any explanation for the player.

About a cheater i agree, no mercy. If a cheater want to play again, find his way to appeal as he could find his way to cheat.

But about a tag stealer what i mentioned there up as "1st kind of tag stealer" maybe it will be a way to set NT or even KoS, where he can join the server, but immediately got a message, he did something wrong, and where he can appeal.

On my 2nd kind of tag stealer i agree ofc. bann, and need a very good appeal, to give 2nd chance.

@Mike:
Tag stealing is tag stealing, its part of our rules and there is a punishment for it. When one connects to our servers they are agreeing to follow our rules. If they fail to read them or come to the site and check them out its not our problem

Can remember so long time ago ? You read the rules before your 1st join ? How many times gone since 1st online gaming to read the 1st server rules ? How many times gone since you understand what mean what is a Clan, and what it is for ?
- As it wasn't so long to me, i can remember. It takes weeks for me. On those 1st weeks mb i made some rule breaking too, as i didnt know much about them. I was just join server, and want to play a good game, nothing else.

So i mean, mb with the especial Admin bot help we can update a bit the rules. For the same think like i try to explain here, i think we have in admin rules, that the admin must try at least 1 warning before take action on bad player.

I think only that player can bann immediately, who was warned before, or who is know 100% that he is doing against the rules, but dont care about them, so as this who not respect the server where he play.

[Wes]

thx to all who speak free here, in Respected Ways, for a interesting Theme.

Clear Tagstealing is no other Way as to ban that Player, until he have made an successful Appeal, so our Rules, - and as i know much Swat4 Clans see it as the same,

we are Proud an have earned our Tags on a long Way in all Clans, for being in and holding Friendship, on real personnel Ways, and all Members are special, as they are ClanMembers.

Tag cloning, like |SOG| / |S.O.G| , this is the Point, where i personell think, it anaying and offending as well, as it directly seems look like the original osne. Here i think, an Ban should follow as well, as its the same offending to say" I am SOG" but as i said my very personell View.

The same View i have had by the last Reported one, AiRR|| its so clear for me, the cloning from the original, onyl doing it in that Way, hoping to dont get kicked / baned, to play there, and to be look like the originals, one.

As i remember, the Clans in FPA and others, the look to be sure, that they have there very personell View of there Tags,







dont get me wrong, it only to show, that they look so cloose and near together, that its for me the same Missbehaivior, and here count the same, by successful Appeal, then get a chance to get set to OS, observe close, to be sure the earn there second Chance.

Chances can be given out of my View, have seen a lot of Player turning round from the "dark" to the "light" Side,

But you will see, yust in the Moment i write in here, Francis catched the next Tagcloner from SOG , Report will follow. ;)

but for at all in one and at least we have good Leaders here to |SOG|, so Dessicions will be made on wise choise, as in here , they have long contacts and expirience to make such dessicions, in which way the Punishment will follow.

rgds to all, Pepper

You have to know pepper not all those tags are stolen, there are alot of clans we don't know yet they couldn't be even supporting swat 4 but with some clan you have to wear the tag on every game you play so it could be the tag he uses is from a other game ...

Also if you look up some clans you get alot of diferent tags, but after awhile all tags are used so they go round ...

Tagstealing if for me when he uses a tag for example (SOG) and when asked he can't put a site to it or doesn't know the leaders name then that means he's stealing the tag, you really have to think deeper then just looks, but if the tag is exactly |SOG| then it's a steal unthil he can appeal with a site on the forum ...