Let's talk about...

[Joker432]

... let's talk about alcochol and all with it (ciggarets, drugs).

I know for someone thats is not a serius theme, but i'm sure ... i'm sure ... nah, i don't know how to say... i'm sure we have a differnt opinions about it.

Well, there in Russia, for example, pretty easy buy beer when you don't get a 18 . Our Sellers willingly sell beer even to children.
Society, meanwhile, already consider it for norm.

well i'ts getting to serius ... :|

I'm sure in your (or not :s) country there is a same problem (or almost same problem).

How it is possible to change this awful situation?

And if will not change what will be with our society?

[Sepe]

In italy its the same ... recently we made a rule ( for few city yet ) that forbid the under 18 to buy alchool , but looks like the guys always find a mode to move around this ... for exemple they ask adults guys to buy alchool for them; the results : each day on TV we see "Today, a tenageer dead for overdose/ got a crash while was under alchool effect"...
what about cigarets and drugs ... the age of who made use of them is always more low each year, the young guys just want to know " HOW IT IS", then after the first time they don't , no , they CAN'T stop ....
I think the only solution is more control on guys from the parents , police etc etc , but I think it will be never end ... hard to " control "

Im almost 20 , personally I smoke cigarets just few times with friends , like 5 times a month ,drink some alchool on the party & birthdays ( no drive after it naturally ), and never made use of drug ... and never I will ...

[Evan Taylor]

Same here in Switzerland. A lot of youngs that drink a lot of alcohol, and youngs that smoke drugs even in the colleges. A large number of road accidents are caused by drugs / alcohol. The police do prevention about that to students, but only a few people take it seriously.

Some markets respect the rule to don't sell alcohol to minors, but I'm sure you can manage to have alcohol anyway. The people start to smoke and drink more and more early, and the drug traffic increases too.

I don't know how to change this situation. For some people, the fact that drugs are prohibited is one more reason to buy them. They like to go against the laws. However, for the moment, there aren't too much drunkards and dopey people in the streets, they mostly do that in little community and hide them.

I personally don't smoke anything and don't want to start to. I don't drink too, only sometimes for events, but really few. I never got drunk. I think it's sad to kill slowly oneself like this, and to put in danger other innocents peoples life.

[Kirjakukka]

Here in Finland, shops and bars etc. usually always ask ID when someone tries to buy beer or smokes. That's fine and everyone is happy... Well, not everybody. The "teens" always find out how to get beer and smoke. I'd bet that in my school atleast 1/3 pupils smoke when at school, there's a "smoking place" where lots of pupils go when a break starts and after few secs, they are all smoking -_-. I think they get the smoke/beer either from parents, steal, or bribe other adults to buy...

Don't know why, but it seems here that the smokers/boozers get the "stuff" from theirs parents usually. It show how many their parents care about them. And that is how it goes, parents give smokes/beer to their child. And when the child drows up and get kids, they think too that it's "OK" to give some smokes/beer to their kids as their parents gave them. Ok, maybe not all people are like that when they drow up. The smart ones learn from their mistakes etc... But there's still people how do that.

Stealing... Well, it can be difficult and desperate. I don't know people risk their future at stealing alcohol or smokes. Still, i have witnessed it more than once... some of my "old" friends did that a lot. I always stood back when they started talking about stealing etc... We were only 12 and they were already speaking about smoke and beer... Once they spoke about drugs, but really i wasn't onto that stuff so i pulled back. Think it was good for me as now they smoke and drink beer on public and their parents, they don't care anything... That's disturbing, and one day i was on little shop and there i bought some stuff (food etc) and, when i was going out some teen was carrying 12 beers in he's hands and running out from the door... The cash register woman didn't see a thing and some other teens were just laughing (They were in it too, i think). First i walked out and started to go back home as always, but then i decided to go back and say to the woman that some teen took some beers with him... Well then she was like "OMG, why i didn't see anything". Then I said that it should be in the tapes of the security cams etc and walked back out and went home.!

And bribing... It's the safest and easiest way, or that's how it looks like. That's really a problem, when young kids/teens ask from some drunk old guy to buy some beer or smokes for them and.... Well you know, few mins later they have some smokes and beer in their hands. So easy as the adults are so giving...

I myself have "tasted" smoke and beer, but ewww didn't like a bit (like no one in this age). But i have never touched drugs or any of that kind, and never will. Same with smoke, never will touch never will taste.

So what can we do for this? In my opinion, there should be tight rules abut smoking and drinking beers and people follow them. Here is pretty tight rules, but almost no one follows them. We have to do something for that.

Oh, and drugs: I hope they were never made!

Ah, long one from me. So better stop it here... Hopely someone will understand what i mean with this...

[Nicoleise]

When I saw the name of the thread, I thought it was a reference to the pop-hit "Let's talk about sex, baby", so I expected a different debate... I'll leave now... Disappointed. :D Nah, only kidding ;)


Denmark has the same problem. I don't personally mind young people drinking, as long as they do so in a responsible and safe manner, i.e. have a few glasses of wine at a family party. The issue for me is when they party like animals with no adult supervision what so ever. I almost lost two of my classmates (aged 15 at the time), one because he was so drunk he fell asleep on his back and then threw up, almost suffricating himself, and another because he drunk so much alcohol, they had to pump it out of him, or he risked dying or becoming numb. People get pumped every now and then when they have those habits, but it his case, he was a very close call.

I don't understand why alcohol is a prerequisite for "fun". I manage plenty of fun without, I'm usually one to make people laugh at parties, but I'm never drunk.

I don't drink on a daily basis, and I very rarely drink at parties either, cause it has no appeal to me whatsoever. I often find that other people object to me not drinking, which I find to be very strange, as they could technically just mind their own business.

I don't mind other people drinking at all, as long as they don't get overly drunk and start being weird or abusive, if they become sleepy it's fine, but if they're those kind of people who start fights or gets loud and obnoxious when they are drunk, they should know not to. I do get concerned for young women though - I'm not saying it's right, but sometimes it doesn't really puzzle me too much, that they get robbed or raped or whatever. Don't get me wrong, criminals are missing something in their brain, and should be shot to clean out the human race ( :p ) but when I see a young girl zig-zagging down the street at 4AM, clearly drunk past her sense, with an open handbag swinging on her wrist and a very (forgive my wording) horny attitude, then I can see why she's an easy victim.



As for smoking, I never did - to me, it's a no brainer, it's expensive and it hurts/kills you. The so called "gratisfaction" of becoming relaxed is not needed for me. I don't need coffee to wake up in the morning either. I think things like that are a circle basically, you start smoking, then you find that it relaxes you, but then you also need it to become relaxed.

That being said, I think the current (european) hetz towards smokers is taking it too far. I don't mind people smoking, as long as they do so with consideration (i.e. open a window, don't smoke near children, don't smoke in cars, etc). To ban smoking in a public place in open air makes no sense to me.

About the age thing ; I personally don't consider it to be storeworkers job to decide if a given person should drink or smoke. I think kids should be informed properly by their parents about the ins and outs of things. I myself was raised in a very open, and very sensible manner. I've always been allowed to do pretty much as I pleased under some general rules. Thus my parents have always adviced me not to start smoking, but they've never said I can't do it. They also adviced me that if I wanted to start drinking, I should tell them so I could have a drink at home on the first occasion instead of between strangers. Never really did though.

I decided, at the age of 12, that I would never begin smoking, and that I would never be one of those people who drink alcohol every day, and can't drive their kid to a mates house if it's past "two beers" time. I've stuck with that ever since.

[Tactics]

Original posted by Joker
How it is possible to change this awful situation?
i think its not possible.

Original Posted by Joker
And if will not change what will be with our society?

since they found alcohol, they drink. the same whit cigaretts. i guess it cant be changed anywhen.

so long "junkys or alkoholics" can buy there alcohol or drugs, they will do so until his dead if noone help them. the half of the life of the alcoholic is over, there will be a smal guy borne. sad to say but he have no futuer and now or later he get the same future. so some die because of it and othere becomes borne and not even know there future until it heppens. thats why we have parens. they show us whitch is the right way and where we have to go. if we listen to them, we get a "good" future but if we dont listen of any kind, we may know where the way bring us if you know what i mean.

you find everywhere people witch buy the alcohol for you if legal or not. the point is yourself should know how to handle whit it.

i dont see a reason why not drink something from time to time or smoke or what ever, so long as you stay in the reality and keep controll of yourself, all is fine.

and our society cant become more worse than it is already. the people get the urge to become someone. all want to be anyone of any kind but for sure only in good way. so we come back to the parens where it starts in my eyes. 98% of parents want onlyy the best for you so if you listen to them and see whats whit other people can heppen, you can summate 1&1 and choos the way you want to go, unless what other say to you.

[Sepe]

When I saw the name of the thread, I thought it was a reference to the pop-hit "Let's talk about sex, baby", so I expected a different debate... I'll leave now... Disappointed.:D

that made me laugh :p

[PUSA]

*chuckles* Yeah the thread got me thinking about something else too. *winks* However that is not the topic of discussion therefore I will have to refrain myself from getting off topic.

In the states (U.S.) you have to be 21 to legally drink, you have to be 18 to legally smoke, but as all of you have stated there are many ways to go about in acquiring alcohol, smoke and drugs.

Is there a way we can change this abuse, I highly doubt it. The question you have to ask is, why do they over use drugs or drink a lot or smoke all the time. One it has to do with peer pressure. Life's tough, and it's not easy especially in a society where to look good, act cool and be cool is the norm. I don't know how it is in other places of the world but, here it's all about being in your group... your click. In order to be in that group you gotta do certain things and so forth. Two they've gotten addicted to it. Three it makes them feel better when they use the substance. Once you start abusing it you're pretty much addicted to it, but if you can limit yourself than that's a start. Sad thing is, is that it's harder than it sounds. You can't just stop something once you're addicted to it.

First off you can't blame the parents all the time. Some parent's can't communicate with their kids cause they don't know how to. Some parent's are too involved in trying to provide for the family that they don't see how the lack of their presence is affecting the kids. For the kids A little trial here and there with the substance doesn't hurt, but once it becomes habit, then that's when it starts getting serious.

You can't do anything about something that you don't know about. Both child and adult are at fault when it comes down to it. Both of them have to take accountability or neither will understand what the problem was and how to solve it. If one person takes all the blame neither will learn from the incident until something awful happens. Then it's too late.

Well here in the states the problem with kids today is that there's a lack of discipline from the parents side. The kids are more rebellious as they can acquire whatever they desire with the proper connections. Lack of communications and understanding.

Alcohol, drugs, smokes, etc.... There's a reason why it's in society. It's because people use it therefore it will not go away, it is apart of society and will remain in society for as long as there is a need for it. You can try to change certain things, but the results will be effortless... all you can hope for is that with the proper education, the individuals will make the right decision. Start small and work from there, try to aim big and you'll miss your target. Can't change the world, but you can try with a friend or a kid who looks up to you. That's where the difference is.

Hopefully that makes sense... if not... well I was never one to make sense of much anyways. *chuckles* Trinity usually deciphers all my mumbo jumbo thoughts. *grins*