YourName - Appeal

[YourName]

Hey.

Im banned by Deka.
At this game was no leader. Deka stuned suspect with c2.
I was entried and aimed at suspect, he was not droping gun, i was covered him.
Nobody entred with me to room (as i think), room was not secure,
i dont took tazer/spray because next suspect can easy kill me.
Stun sus started feel good and aimed at me, i killed him.

Next room, i mirrored, status was clear, at entry i spoted 1 sus he was running away,
i yelled for drop gun .
He turned back and aim on me, now second sus move from philar and shot to me. I killed both.

This is how i get banned.

[Wes]

Maybe you should go play counterstrike ...

[DeKA]

first room - suspect was stunned and should be arrested; we were there as 4 persons team, one was clearing the room you stood in the passage aiming at suspect without any try to make him surrender or arrest - there was enough time to taze him or use nade - also you have blocked the passage so i could not taze him;
you have killed him without any reason where he could be easily arrested

second room - you have entered the room on your own without nading or using tazer, second team member with pepper gun was going with you and trying to stun them but you shot all suspects;
you went into the room with suspects not to arrest them but to kill them;

i was the leader and all other players followed my commands but you

swat4 is to save civilians and ARREST as many suspect as possible not to kill them without any try to make them surrender - it includes tazer, non-lethal weapon and nades, not only yelling at them as its not enough

going directly into suspects and shot them, even if authorized, is against the rules as its not the point of the game, also it IS spoiling the game for other players as they are trying to arrest suspects instead of killing them

you are allowed to kill suspect if he on his own is aiming at swat team or civilian - making him to does that means you are provoking that kind of situation to have clearance for shooting and its not allowed

i repeat once again: you dont get the point of playing swat4 and you will not be unbanned from PRO server;
if you stay with your style of playing you gonna be banned from all other SOG's servers

[Matt]

SWAT is so much more than Counterstrike which you were playing by the sounds of it.

Furthermore if you were doing this on one of our Pro servers you were asking for trouble ;)

[Paul]

lol, if there is no tactics, thers no game, the whole team gets nailed mission over. its as simple as that... its a nice ban, maybe it will show the difference btween swat and army style fighting.

[Sete]

Hm... I would have done it in a similar way.

By my opinion safety of civilians and the officer(s) goes first.
Drawing the tazer in the frst situation might have been a risk since you can't get a possible second sus or cover anything.
If he blocked the way, well that's bad but it happens and to me it does not sound that he did it on purpose.

The second situation sounds like it happened all really fast. I would not have been like "Hm... I'll wait till my teammate with his peppergun gets this guy although he is already firing at me."
And if the report for the room was clear, why nade it? :s

Does not sound like Counterstrike-gaming to me at all.

[Hidroncs]

We are talking about the 2 very different playing style, how you can be successful in playing swat4.

No.1 : the style of Yourname, and some more good quality players here. Moving slow and tactical, open doors, scanning room carefully yelling on suspects, and kill if they not give up.

the other way is try to use a tactic, and use all those equipment what a swat team can use, and save as many life as they can, even suspect life too. No need to use always LL guns in this style too, but if you do everything well, you have 90% no need to shoot a single one. You can make mission, only with using tactic, and non lethal equipment, to get all suspect.

In my opinion, the 1st way is safe for officers, and mb civilians too, but many times force suspects to attack swat team, and no other chance then just to kill them. So i think if you must fight & kill 90% you did something wrong.

[DeKA]

this thread is not about how to play swat4 and possible tactics...

on PRO servers team work is a must and terminators looking for legitimation for shooting and spoiling game for others are not welcome

appeal considered negatively - thread :lock:

[Wes]

There's a diferent sete...

it goes like this he runs to the sus and then yells so that he has to shoot ...
He provokes the sus to aim at him and what was he doing alone there if deka was pointed leader ...

Running t oa sus t oprovoke him as counterstrike to me ...
Playing swat is about teamwork ...

Yes sometime it's needed to kill a sus to save a civ or teammate, but to run to the sus and provoke him to aim just to kill is not teamwork for me ...

There are 2 lethal players:

1. One who takes lethal to give there teammates cover and shoots when it's needed ...

2. A player who likes to kill and just runs around and provokes the suspects to aim at civs and teammates ...

[Matt]

In addition to what Wes says, I gamed with YourName a couple of times last week both undercover and normally. The gameplay was careless and unjust in comparison to the rest of the teams gameplay. Dekas report just put the icing on the cake for me....

I think YourName was actually kicked last week by me or Wes for careless gameplay...

[DeKA]

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